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Jul 22, 2021

Host Gail Ferguson Jones talks with Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist Darlene Lancer, author of  "Conquering Shame and Codependency: 8 Steps to Freeing the True You."

Lancer is author of seven books on the subject, including "Codependency for Dummies." In this episode, she explains how most people grapple with feelings of shame because of various life experiences, and the importance of admitting shame in order to overcome it.

You can learn more about Lancer and her work at her website: And you can find her book at:

Gail Ferguson Jones is a best-selling author, award-winning journalist and certified peer recovery coach. Her book, "Butterfly Rising. A Journey to Love, Healing and Freedom," is available at Amazon:

Her Buttrfly Effect program offers peer-to-peer coaching for the loved ones of those struggling with addiction.

Learn more at her website;, where you can also subscribe to her newletter. 

Music for The Buttrfly Effect Podcast, "Inspire Me," is by Mixaund at