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Oct 8, 2020

Host Gail Ferguson Jones talks with Donna Gapas, a licensed clinical social worker specializing in individual, couples and family therapy. She takes an interactive therapeutic approach to helping clients address personal life challenges. Gapas has 30 years experience treating trauma, anxiety disorders, depression, addiction and grief. She is a part-time lecturer at Rutgers University's Graduate School of Social Work, and speaks at national conferences on the topics of addiction, crisis intervention and family issues.

Host Gail Ferguson Jones is an award-winning journalist, speaker, podcaster, recovering codependent and recovery coach. Her Buttrfly Effect program offers peer-to-peer coaching, specializing in recovery from codependency.

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