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Feb 18, 2021

Host Gail Ferguson Jones talks with Clinical Psychologist Barry Weinhold, who has coined the phrase "counter-dependence," which he describes as living a false self that keeps one from establishing intimate relationships.

Weinhold is the author of more than 75 books, the latest of which is titled "Get Real. The Hazard of Living Out of Your False Self." He and his wife, Janae, are co-directors of the Colorado Institute for Conflict Resolution and Creative Leadership.

In this episode, Weinhold discusses how counter-dependence, also described as radical self-reliance, is the inability to establish healthy relationships and, if untreated, leads to addiction, isolation and depression. 

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Gail Ferguson Jones is an award-winning journalist, speaker, podcaster and  recovery coach, who helps families reclaim their peace of mind and freedom from the dysfunction of a loved one's addiction.

Her Buttrfly Effect program offers peer-to-peer coaching specializing in recovery from codependency.

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